Going on Sigs reputation I bought a P320. Ill go so far as to say the first batch of Sig P320s did nothing wrong. The cheap seats were $100-$200 and you got to watch Wrath of Khan with Shatner. The suit mirrors lawsuits filed across the country involving the semi-automatic gun known as the P320. Sig Sauer's headquarters are located in New Hampshire at Pease International Tradeport. Glock's and Sig P320 are all designated as Double-Action-Only fire control mechanisms. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. Thread starter ut755ln; Start date Oct 19, 2022; Forums. They didnt see a problem at all and in fact, saw it as an upgrade over Glock. . Because its flat out bull**it. Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. The P320 pistol is a dog. Bineau added the review is looking at so-called ancillary equipment (meaning the holster and other items) as one element of that broader investigation. These officers are not gunfighters. Slowly people are realizing they arent the only ones having issues. The clearest memory I have about the many people experiencing post-upgrade discharges is a cop who set his P320 on a table, and several seconds after letting go, IT DISCHARGED ON ITS OWN! Unless they have to fire their weapon in an on-duty incident most officers only fire their weapons just before and/or at qualifications, which depending on the department are annual or semi-annual. . I know there are those who will vehemently disagree with me, and even disparage me but I have been following this issue from early on, BUT I recall CLEARLY that there have been dozens and dozens of discharges that could not be attributed to operator error and people experiencing these uncommanded discharges both before AND after getting the trigger upgrade. You have entered an incorrect email address! saw the video, doesnt explain how it bypasses striker pin safety. The Glock fails on both counts. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. They didnt have to, but did. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! Guess it hasnt dawned on them that: 1. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! When he put his hand on the grip, the weapon fired, according to the lawsuit. His haste to avoid the embarrassment of his gun being seen on the floor turned the incident from a wardrobe malfunction (accidental exposure of a concealed weapon, probably just a reprimand from the OPR) into a negligent discharge (the gun being fired led to him personally getting fired!). You simply may not PREFER one make to another, or may simply dislike another make, but were to the point in semi-auto pistol production history where amongst the big brands, the only real distinctions are preference. Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. Seems a bit apologetic to me. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. Have heard of no issues like the alleged gremlin caused spontaneous discharges of the P320 in other Sig models. The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. People of the Gun are probably familiar with the early problems the P320 had regarding drop safety. The networks report didnt mention lawsuits filed by LEOs (or anyone else) against other gun makers claiming similar alleged design defects. Its also interesting that theres apparently no corresponding flood of civilian lawsuits against SIG with similar claims of guns going off, even though the public owns far more P320s than do law enforcement agencies. Ironic that the trendsetters of yesteryear are trying to tear down the innovator of today because its Not perfected yet! and the Design isnt worked out!. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. So I will just continue to carry Mexican style with my striker fired polymer wonder nine from a company that may or may not be SIG. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. Circumstances that explained those un-commanded discharges.. Second, pardon us if were more than a little skeptical that the P320 in question or any other handgun fired when it was out of battery. These lawsuits ARE about SIG making defective weapons. Either the gun is defective or its not. But it also has much worse quality control on the parts in my experience owning and working on both. Theyre the only product that is not. For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.. But it hardly indicts the P320 as a badly engineered weapon or that its worse than another brand. Face it, you paid far too much for a plastic gun. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! As for the Serpa holster, this is a bunch of internet echo chamber BS that originated with Obama-era federal agencies putting a bad light on a good product in order to sway public opinion and thus damage the manufacturers bottom line. I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. Too much MIM in that crap SIG, the old ones were great. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. The best take on this subject is by the author himself: this is about slime lawyers looking to build a national narrative and get a few wins in, so they can more easily get the next win and the next one, the next one and so on. But Shatner? The one officer in the ABC story had it wrapped in a rag in his gym bag? Later when he was driving he shifted his weight and this caused the trigger to be pushed back further and it went off and shot him and the bullet then also blew a big hole in the floor board of this truck. I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. But this time, the sound bites used were different. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. If this were a car, a phone, a refrigerator, it would have been recalled long ago. in 2021," Bagnell said of the overall scope of the concern . Sig can burn for all I care. The sear cams it back a teeny bit. Theyve gotten tons of contracts because the gun is cheap, cheap, cheap to make. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. In 2020, the agent, who is a former marine, was doing his routine training with the P320. It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. Is it? Thats the same. His annual qualification consisted of shooting 32 rounds. The SIG P320, which has been manufactured since 2014, is known to go off without the trigger being pulled if it's dropped and lands on the ground at a certain angle. Just because someone shoots hyper-unrealistic 3 gun competition, subscribes to Recoil magazine and routinely watches their fave rave YouTube cult of personality channel shill for the latest company that paid him off doesnt make them a [emailprotected]$$. Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! Fair enough. Really, that JJA ship looks like something the folks at PlaySkool built, its terrible. I mean hey, yelling about firearms preferences online is no more productive than discussing nerdy Star Trek stuff, is it? 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. The problem with Sig is with their polymer pistols. It has an unsafe takedown procedure that requires you to pull the trigger to get the slide off. Great job, this threat needed some levity! The modular SIG P320 is among the most widely-owned handguns on the planet. This is this same company that couldnt build their own freaking rifles after multiple attempts (Sig SG550 series) when that rifle had been made in Switzerland for years without issue. "It has a clear capacity to fire without the trigger being pulled under certain conditions," said Hilton's lawyer, Jeffrey Bagnell. selling the 365 with strikers breaking? According to Section 22.05 of the Texas Penal Code, engaging in deadly conduct with a firearm is considered a felony of the third degree. Result: Sig P320 goes off when dropped and shoots people. Keep your finger off the trigger unless you are ready to shoot. It somehow moved to the hinges of the desk. The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. Yes, its reliable, but no more so than most other major brands well known models. All polymer guns are cheap, cheap, cheap to make, thats why I threw the Taurus name into the mix. It offers the quality and reliability of Sig Sauer, with a tried and true striker system and ingenious features that make it a novel gun. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? Was it his fault? Stupid marine, cop, citizen, its their fault. Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. Attorney Bagnell held up the law enforcement officers he represents as examples of people who are highly trained in carrying and using firearms. TAMPA, Fla., July 27, 2021 /PRNewswire/ -- A 30-year veteran law enforcement officer with the Tampa Police Department (TPD) today filed a lawsuit against Sig Sauer, Inc., the maker of his. Give me a break. Kyle . Like many of our readers, weve been watching the slow drip, drip, drip of lawsuits accumulate over the past couple of years against SIG Sauer. So, unlike the Serpa holster debate, Im a believer that there is more going on than meets the eye with the P320 and is exactly why I refrained from buying one, why I still wont own one, and why I steer people away from it. They have hundreds of thousands of P320s in regular service now and, despite a search, we couldnt find a rash of reports of soldiers claiming their pistols are firing on their own. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. (The defect couldnt be duplicated after the crash.). In June, Cambridge police Lt. Thomas Ahern filed suit, accusing Sig Sauer of selling a dangerously defective product after his P320 fired on its own while he was in the department's SWAT team van with six other officers. Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer and injured a director with a prop gun on the set of the film "Rust" and the distraught actor repeatedly asked afterwards why he . And those are exactly the kinds of plaintiffs who happen to make up the vast majority of the lawsuits filed against SIG. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. Aint been nothing but problems since the military dropped the 1911, what was it 85 year of trusted service? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. To make the striker leg pull off of the sear, you would have to impart a lot of rearward momentum and stop it suddenly. ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. I agree. He was told to shoot two rounds. While good firearms training and practices among law enforcement officers is certainly the case much of the time, weve seen far too many instances over the years of un-safe or downright dangerous practices by allegedly highly trained individuals to apply that kind of blanket endorsement to all cops or alphabet agency employees. https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/. Hello perpetrators, Lee Paige is clearly the gift that keeps on giving though our buddy Hunter Biden is a close second! Sig P320 Accidental Discharge 2021 Perhaps nothing speaks more clearly to the need for a total recall than the fact that in 2021, over four years after Sig Sauer offered its voluntary upgrade, people are still suffering injuries and lawsuits continue to be filed. Posts: 21156 | Registered: November 05, 2003. Or you would have to have enough slide play for the slide movement to physically disengage the sear and striker leg mating surfaces. If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. Sigs bid was low because they were still pissed after being beat by Beretta in cost. This website has been messed up all week so that might be the problem in replying. Anyway my question for $600 would be: Did you have your 3rd wife killed? Quite frankly, a sizable number of the LEOs that go there, would benefit from a Gun Safety 101 class. After watching a friend get killed by a Remington 700 by another friend and the ensuing fallout 31 years ago I decided that I didnt care if the P320 was fixed, it was getting sold. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. An x-ray (fluoroscope) of the mechanism in operation could show what, if anything, is happening inside the gun that might prove, or disprove, the contention that the gun is flawed. It SHOULD have more engagement width wise, but often doesnt due to things being rounded or out of square. Cops are crap with guns, unlike me, a REAL pistolero! Who knows. I agree that Glock is sitting on their laurels and has been for decades. who sells them? Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. Inside the gun, a metal piece called the sear should keep the weapon from firing until the trigger is pulled.