I make do with a 336 Marlin in .35 Rem. I much prefer .30 caliber bullets in any of those platforms. Henry is close with SPX but went plastic stock.DOH! Its a nice round and rifle. Since that time, many believe that the issues stem from using light-loads consisting of 110 and 125 grain (gr.) Relevant to what? Comments like yours on why dont you just reload are what limits some of my shooting time on the metallic silhouette range as its full of old vietnam era (and older) shooters that whine more than a Karen in the wild if you dont pick up your brass with intent to reload. 11 February 2004, 13:28 dgr416 I dont live in big bear country. They averaged 1810fps out of my Marlin. We discuss most anything here politely. To reload the .357, a Lee Loader is all you need, plus a supply of primers, a pound of powder and bullets. Curious that this article features only the most expensive versions of .357 carbines. Having fired several different types and CARRIED them in the Military, I much prefer the simple and traditional bolt-actions, levers and semi-autos that American hunters have carried for generations. Even though it was flawed engineering, it was the cartridge that suffered. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:33 pm, Post They seem to have gotten a lot better in the last 5 years ago or so. Lube is easily made from beeswax and chassis grease. Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum. 44 Mag is much more forgiving. Through the years, the company continued to expand and . 357 maximum rifle For Sale 1000+ Listings Found Page 1 of 317 1 2 3 . I bought a brandified new Ruger .357 revolver just as this lockdown crap started. For some reason it's hard to exceed what 2400 can do in the .357 mag, but H110/W296 and lil gun should also be viable options. This is the showpiece among Winchesters 1873 model range, and it had better be with a price tag at around $1,800. In the meantime, be sure to sign the Recall. Trying to understand why the only conclusion I can draw is that people think them as old-fashioned and slow. 317 1 Image (s) Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway Gun #: 945177475 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $1,750.00 Full Details 1 Image (s) ROSSI R-92 LEVER RIFLE .357 MAGNUM Gun #: 942851574 Seller: Alpha Omega Services LLC $948.60 Blame it on the Covid 19 pandemic. Nothing slimmer or quicker to get into action. Dies, a dipper set and some components and you are gtg. That never happened with Ruger. It was a long-range shooting sport in which the targets were the silhouettes of game animals cut from steel plate and placed in banks of five at 50, 100, 150 and 200 meters. Im still waiting for someone to make a 357 in. im drawn to modern firearms for their dynamicism. its a different kind of shooting, fast followups, peppering paper or spinners, quick reloads. ), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (flint), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (perc), United States Patent Firearms Revolvers/Pistols, Century Arms International (CAI) - Shotguns. Available with matte finish on steel frames and a highly polished finish on hardened brass frames, these elegantly simple rifles feature 22" round barrels, fully adjustable folding leaf rear sight and brass bead front sights we use on the lever actions, a drilled and tapped provision for optional scope use, walnut front and rear furniture, a Max. The sights are just like the CSBL are an XS Sights ghost ring sight set. And yes the price has been driven up on them, in the used market in the last 10, 15 years or so, especially the ones with no factory additional safetys, other than the half cock position of the hammers, such as the older Winchester and Marlin 94s. Actually prefer 30-30 to any handgun round. It is also more effective when used with a long gun, where it is legal to hunt with rifles. Levers are light, easy to carry with quick target acquisition and reliability. On the other hand, I own a .357 Uberti 1873 sporting Deluxe 24.5 octagonal barrel rifle and the thing is drop dead sexy, and fun to shoot. This allows, again, for higher velocities and energies than the revolvers made by Ruger and Smith & Wesson. Everybody wanted to get their hands on my lever-action .30-30, and nobody who shot it was disappointed. They usually hide it by using a 24" barreled rifle. It's accuracy is outstanding. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Made in 1983, serial 600-02396 has a 10.5-inch barrel, blade front sight, adjustable rear sight, transfer bar and wood grips. but I can welcome You to the forum. One say I will probably add a .357 in a carbine for all around utility in the 100 yards or less range. So there are several options available that are much less expensive than the fine examples listed in the article. The one i have now has bllard rifling which is accurate with jacketed or lead bullets. Our public range requires that spent brass be picked up. First off, a .357 lever is almost as much fun as you can have with your clothes on. I dont have a horse ..so the ring comes off. But those new X models are very hard to get now. I put a Wild West trigger on the 336, and its great, but that puts the Marlin price right up there with Henry. Long guns get in the way. Here are the features to watch out for. JerryB II Corinthians 3:17, Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. I always liked the cowboy combo concept of carbine/sidearm same caliber and own lever actions in .44 mag. Most 158-grain and lighter bullets usually lack the jacket thickness for use on big game in a Contender. I had the model 19 years ago. . I saw your reference to benighted states and then AR, AK. As a recap on hand loads, I would suggest that anyone wishing to hunt with the .357 rifle should . Its blue with a 16.5 inch barrel. .357 Maximum loaded with Our 200g Hollow Point gas checked to produce zero leading even at full speed. . Proof-fired it and it stood up. .357 Remington Maximum Done Right by Mike Bellm, Mr. Max USA. This means that hunters are able to control the firearm much better, making more accurate and effective shots. If I didnt have to deal with CAs onerous gun registration laws, Id otherwise be glad to offer someone one of my Glock/AR sets for a .357 Mag revolver + rifle. Going price was 399.they didnt have any..but said they had a 45 Long Colt at a discount 299easy decision. Its just not special enough to me for my wallet to cough up the bucks. Not a bad option if you are living in a slave state. Post The Henry Big Boy Steel in .357 is about $700. Show Only Guns Oranges should be squeezed into juice. We were amazed at the penetration. Just, reading the article reminded me about it. The Gun That Won The West. by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:17 pm, Post The cartridge made its debut in 1983 in the Ruger New Model Blackhawk single-action revolver. Somewhere around 7,500 guns were made. The youngsters love shooting it with .38 spl. ALL factory handgun ammo is impossible to obtain now in the Covid 19 and Defund the Police world we live in now. It should be noted the original loadings of the 357 mag were to 45,000 psi, but when the smaller framed 357's came on the market the pressure of the loads was reduced to 35,000 psi. Have you tried hand-loading and experimenting with overall length? Buy 357 Maximum Brass Pistol Cases 95pcs Mixed Brass 357 Max: GunBroker is the largest seller of Reloading Supplies Ammunition Reloading All: 974082394. . Note the 1/4" groups with .358" bullets in their .358" cylindrical throat and only slightly larger groups with .357" bullets, Copyright 2023 .357 Remington Maximum Done Right by Mike Bellm, Mr. Max USA, New Custom Made Barrels by Match Grade Machine. 357 Maximum, 44 mag, and 45 colt. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. That feature was what was holding me back from buying one. Full rechamber to .357 MAXimum or .350 Legend for energy levels on par with .300 Savage or moderate .308 Winchester loads and a bonafide 250 yard rifle. Gun Genius. Accurate Arms, Hercules, Hodgdon, Hornady, IMR, Lyman, Nosler, RCBS, Sierra and Speer. Finding ammo can be tough for any caliber these days, but if youve already got a stash of .38 and .357 for your handguns, youve already got that covered. In fact, a lever action carbine and a revolver in matching caliber is every bit as useful today as it was for the settlers on the Western Frontier. Ive shot the .30-30, and its fine, but man, Id love that thing in .357. Its been gaining more momentum than originally expected. I sold my 1980s Marlin 357 in 1996 for 450 to a guy who would not buy a new Marlin with a safety button. I would add Chiappa Alaskan in .357 Magnum to the mix. Don't like it you can turn it quick and easy. I was surprised I didnt see any comments about the Henry Big Boy X. I bought this in a .357 mag at BassPro for $800 and it has the side gate for loading. Brand: Winchester Firearms. A Dan Wesson revolver in that caliber based on the heavy duty Dan Wesson 44 Mag frame was offered. I told them if they were so worried about reloading they can have my brass. Once that word gets around, Henry and Brazilian made Rossi levers, and even Uberti and other Italian made Lever guns will gain more of the market share. Is taught at the Range! Expecting it back today via UPS, cant wait to put some rounds in it this week. Item Number: 534196137. Long throated .357 MAGnum barrels let you create space in the MAGnum case for the same powder charge rates used in factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! Of course, you can also get the original Winchester carbine, the Winchester 1873. Now Rechambering Henry Single Shot .357 Magnum Rifles! NEVER EXCEED MAXIMUM LOADS: Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for . Headquarters for everything .357 Remington Maximum, Superlative accuracy from MGM 1-20 twist rifle barrel shot at 80 yards. The .357 Rem. I wish I had known Hornady was going to discontinue them, I would have stocked up on them. I passed up a .357 94 trapper several years ago it was a few $ more than I had on me and I couldnt get the seller to budge. My all-time favorite .357 rifle is still the IMI Timber Wolf pump. Please enjoy those guns with your family on my behalf, as I will not be purchasing **anything** in CA in my continuing quest to remain off the CADOJs books. Over time, Sellier & Bellot expanded its product line to include rifle cartridges and smokeless powder. $2.92. Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. Give me a blued steel finish with walnut, no plastics or laminates please!!! Im a wee bit envious. Maybe this shortage will get more people into the handloading business. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. In an effort to keep the playing field dead level for all competitors, they rigidly adhered to the no-modification standard. Thats exactly the sort of info i was looking for. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:25 pm, Post But its the old Supply and demand scenario. and i personally think the word tactical and the word options are interchangeable. It didn't quite make it, but still knocked the steel rams down. Slick set up that kept a rifle close to hand and out of sight. Since its a range toy for me, its never been a big enough issue for me to bump it to the top of the to-do list. Because of this, many hunters are realizing the potential of the cartridge for hunting medium to large game. Just wish the all-weather version didnt have the silly loop lever. A couple of people got that familiar look in their eyes and started plotting their next purchase right there. Not all rifles need to be used to kill commies. rounds and it goes on just about every trip to the range. : .357" (except where otherwise specified in remarks). .30-30 is just a little unpleasant in it due to the light weight and stock. Great for when wearing gloves. The .357 Magnum round is pushed to greater ballistic performance (add about another 600 fps and another 500 ft-lbs of energy, give or take) as well as a wealth of ammunition choices. A .357 bang stick would certainly be cheaper to keep fed for silhouette shooting vs my Henry in 45 Colt. Ill just be here waiting on .357 lever guns to be relevant. The AR-15s in .223 are just glorified rabbit guns in my opinion. The 1894 CSBL has a 16-inch barrel, with an 8-shot tube. Auction (145) WOW! Bullets manufactured by Hornady. Some additional info on Fury Bullets, Detroit, MI. I would also point out that IHMSA was a handloader's sport. New in the Box. A lever gun would be a really fun toy for me. So far I've shot 19.0, 20.0, and 21.0 of H110 using Remington 7-1/2 primers and a 180 XTP. Get one batch of 360 brass from Starline for ammo to be loaded hot. Admittingly I was single then but it was relaxing! I am sure I am not the only one that is open to it but finds that it is not possible right now. Optimum overall rifle performance is 2300 to 2400 fps with 180 gr. The Lil Gun and AA1680 are max loads from my searching tho I've seen several claim you can't get enough AA1680 in the case to overload it. Because the title of the article is Five great not Five cheap.. Put the .357 Maximum in a rifle or a single-shot pistol, and you see a new picture of this cartridge. by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:25 pm, Post Not going to get activated by accident, and potentially useful now and then. Like Chris, Doc, and Tycer said - you've already got the 35 Remington - which is, I believe the question was "does anyone make a Levergun for the 357 Maximum". https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/lever-action-ballistics-30-30-vs-357-magnum/, The original (factory) Marlin review: Loads for .357 Magnum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start. Trust me. by Hobie Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:55 pm, Post The .357 Maximum is a stretched .357 Magnum case; its about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. Gun shows are your salvation. The conversion was not troublesome at all other than a rebarrel and chamber job , it feeds with no modifications whatever needed. Similar to the Critter You Are Hunting Effect. Lil Gun starting at 26 grains and worked up to as much as 30 grains gives top velocities in 24 barrels and good velocities in shorter barrels. Best to have at least one, in your favorite caliber, in the collection. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Jorge Spat to learn all about it. Reloading has nothing to do with it.. And, I AM a Vietnam in-country veteran, Gomer. Discussion forums for GunBroker.com users. I think a lot of it is people who do not come from a hunting background and just want to look cool. Forgot to add. I would not mind adding a budget minded lever gun to my lot, something as accurate as my buddys. But I take your point that a rifle can be usefuland fun. The 357 Max is generally considered to be less powerful that 35 Rem, but I don't know if you would see a difference in a 14" barrel. With 125 gr. (See note on Powders below or read all about various Powders.) Whats different about the pre-lawyer ones? Thats what the saddle ring designs were for. H110. You might find a few boxes at the Tulsa world gun show. Nobody cared about the AR-15. by Old Ironsights Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:54 pm, Post It is the .357 Remington Maximum. Available in different sizes and red dot ready, it'll fit your needs, whatever they are. The little bastards will come and cuss you and drop nuts on you. It is a tough call since their chamber work and mine are so, so close to the same. Many people download it and get unburnt . Buy .357 Maximum SuperMag 180g Hornady XTP HP 1800 FPS 20 rounds: GunBroker is the largest seller of Pistol Ammunition Ammunition All: 972984640. . Free shipping for many products! If you want a short-action levergun with similar ballistics, consider: those .357s out of a 20 inch barrel will just bounce off the bad guys chest, I tell ya!!!!!!! Look around on the internet. It carries easy, at 6- lbs, with swivel studs coming standard (as does a hammer block safety) and has a large loop for fast cycling. Through my industry connections, I heard plenty of finger-pointing about metallurgy and propellant choices, but the ultimate outcome was that the revolver market for this cartridge simply dried up. I have shot a buddys 357, think it was Italian, a couple times as he is into Cowboy Action..not my thing but fun to watch! Because the .357 Maximum in a Contender comes close to .35 Rem. can anyone suggest a competent gunsmith? The late Bill Ruger got interested and set his people to work. If a customer takes possession of the firearm, Intrepid considers this acceptance of the condition, and will not offer a return. A hollow-point 357 magnum bullet combines maximum weight retention and terminal expansion to provide threat-stopping power . Ive wanted one for years. Working range would be 50-70 yards. For full power loads like 30 gr. What should the discerning collector look for in a potential buy? Model 1873 and cowboyskinda synonymous. The resulting airspace does no good. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. The MAGnum case with the bullet seated out holds exactly the same charge weights as factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! There have been discussions in the past about the comparison between the .357 Magnum and the .30 Carbine cartridges. It was even out of warranty and they took care of it no charge. And has since been dropped by everyone except TC.. Yeah both pretty awesome. The old Ford Pickup had that seatback that folded forward. Unless Marlin has COMPLETELY reformed their QC system, I would never spend $600 on one of their levers. This rifle has a ton of modern flair that you may be used to seeing on semi-automatic sporting rifles. If its an American classic you want, the Winchester Model 1892 Carbine is about as classic as it gets. 008-E503841 | MTM. But that being said, your S&W 8 shot Revolver is a nice pistol. .38 Spl is an absolute dream to shoot in a .357 lever gun. The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. If you get one and a couple of SAA revolvers, youre almost ready for cowboy action shooting. Got a lot of positive comments on it. Everyone asks if they can shoot MAGnums in the .357 MAXimum chamber; however, with the .3" long jump before the bullet even gets to the throat, you can't expect great accuracy. Model 29 and Marlin stainless 1894 in 44. by elmo123 Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:11 pm, Post I agree. Then expand and retool , upgrade if you find its your thing. Detachable rotary magazine features a unique rotor to separate cartridges and . Caliber: .357 MAG/ .38 Special Capacity: 10+1 Barrel Length: 18 Barrel Type: Octagon Blued Steel Rate of Twist: 1:16 Overall Length: 35.5 Receiver Material: CaseHardened Steel Rear Sight: Buckhorn Front Sight: Blade Stock Material: Walnut Weight: 7.4 lbs. Yes, tactical Virginia, you can put a red dot on a lever gun. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Thompson center contender barrel, 357 max, 21" blued at the best online prices at eBay! Prefer .44 Mag to .357, but thats just me. Lighter and tougher and more precise than ever, it's the perfect back country hunting rifle. Have as much ammo on hand as you can afford. Both have threaded barrels to make them more relative and modern. You can find ammo, and buy it if you can afford it. It would not feed 38 Specials so I reinstalled the original parts and shoot the Maximums by loading them one at a time. Guys that do this are, shall we saypreoccupied with velocity, which is usually the product of light bullets and fast-burning powder.I believe that a failure to appreciate the complexities of this cartridge, the bullets available for it and the proper propellants applicable were a major reason why it passed early. Metallic silhouette shooters found it both accurate and very good at taking steel plates off a rail. Night and day in service and I didnt have to wait over a month. I don't think it is possible due to OAL differences. The .450 will really put a wallop on your shoulder. Barrel has only been to the range for load development. The targets were heavy and had to be hit hard and in the right place. I might have to take that to the range next time and see what happens. This isn't your grandpa's muzzleloading system. The more the merrier. So its a one-two-three punch. The .357 Magnum is probably the most widely-used revolver cartridge today, managing to thrive in an era where the wheelguns and associated cartridges are growing scarce. From pressure data with this specific bullet, we knew there were no safety issues with the slightly oversize bullet as along as handloaders used Speer data for the Speer bullet. As most revolver . It was an 1895 GBL. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gun-review-marlin-1894c-357-magnum/, The review after Wild West Guns rescued it: If you start a 140 grain XTP from a 16" .357 carbine at 2000 fps, your retained velocity at 200 will be around 1250- typical handgun muzzle velocity for today's watered-down .357 factory loads. And you get a couple more rounds in the tube. Bfh_auto Member Joined: Feb 23, 2016 Messages: 6,502 In single shot rifles or pistols, I would choose the max. to 200 gr. I really want to get one in .357 mag. Cloudbuster Thats what makes them lever action great. Itll still all fit in a small tackle box. .357 out of a 20 Henry Big Boy Steel rivals the muzzle energy of a .223 out of an 18 inch. by Hobie Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:35 am, Post by AJMD429 Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:32 pm, Post I would like to try Reloader 7 with bullets heavier than 180 grains. They should come from the factory that way. Of course, I dont carry it on a single point like the muh AR crowd does. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. Re: Reloading the 357 MAXIMUM. .357 inches (all 350 legend) shell case length: Source: www.okshooters.com Bottom line, if you get a Marlin lever gun that works and shoots good, and without a crossbolt safety, dont EVER sell it. http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?309518-Saddle-ring-carbines-How-do-you-use-the-ring. My lever is a Winchester in .45 Colt, for which you can not only reload, but you can reload pretty close to double the pressure of a handgun round, as long as you are using a modern rifle, and depending on the weight of the round. by BAGTIC Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:14 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. The only guy I knew who shot 357 Max had a Ruger SBH and a Marlin lever gun re-chambered for the Max cartridge. We do not charge additional fees for credit cards. Nice single shot rifle. Also have a Winchester 1886 in 45-90, I shoot 45-70 loads in it and had no issues. Finding component will likely be tough though. Please try a new zip code and search again. His just naturally pointed well, I didnt have to work at all. Then came panic buying of guns and ammo due to social unrest, and of course its a an election year. All your beautiful $2,000 semi-auto rifles will be illegal, while excellent, used $500 Marlins will disappear from the market. Im going to be very careful dipping into a little bit of political prognostication, but I think most of us would acknowledge that gun-banners have a list of the guns they hate most (cough AR cough) and that John Waynes Cowboy Rifle is way down at the bottom of that list. Very accurate, which makes it very deadly. Not question those who do or did so, cause theres something special about shooting a lever action. I just picked up a Ruger #1 CHP 357mag that will be going to the gun smyth next week to have the chamber stretched to da Max. I sure like my Marlin 94c..I had my Smith do an action and trigger job on it. GunBroker.com Forums. Would love a new one, in particular one of the Henry brand as the finishes are absolutely beautiful. It shouts very well that way. Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Flintlock Misc, Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Matchlock/Wheellock Misc, Century Arms International (CAI) - Rifles, Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Rifles (perc), Winchester Rifles - Modern Bolt/Auto/Single, Winchester Rifles - Pre-1899 Bolt/Single Shot, Century Arms International (CAI) - Pistols, Colt Automatic Pistols (.25, .32, & .380 cal), Colt Single Action Revolvers - Modern (22 Cal. I was shocked when I found out. I have one with the turnstile safety. Sellier, who established the company in Prague in 1825 and began manufacturing percussion caps for use in muskets and rifles. This is not an issue for single-shot firearms, and the long bullet cleared the rifling in the pressure barrel and our T/C barrels. almost 1782 psi less than 9mm 4" barrel pressure. You can also put ketchup on a hot dog, but you shouldnt. You have entered an incorrect email address! The max lead . hollow points, you can aim dead on with it at 100 yds. Dan Wesson guns had easily-replaceable barrels and came with an extra in .357 Maximum. That stands for International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association. Todays edition also features a falling block safety, so it can be carried loaded. Marlin made a name for themselves offering an improved version of the Winchester action starting in the 1880s. by Rusty Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:22 pm, Post . Loads published in the major reloading manuals are pitifully understated, going to only go to about 40,000 psi. I had only seen photos (prints?) I agree, a lever gun in the .357 Max would be quite the setup. I have a old JM Marlin lever rifle in .357, Its one of those rifles that has been out there and used before I got it. and especially their 180 gr. THE IDEAL TRAINING PLATFORM FOR KIDS. It was for long-range pistoleeringthe IHMSA challenge of accuracy and power at range. including a .40 S&W Barrel (view pictures). SAAMI maximum is 48,000, and in the closed breech guns pressures can be run at the same levels as 5.56 NATO, about 54,000 psi. Thirdly, in ordinary political/economic times .38 and .357 ammo is plentiful, ubiquitous, and affordable. I will admit to some bias my first handgun was a S&W Model 19 and, for many years, it was my only handgun. The 1873 Deluxe Sporting is that classic rifle, dressed to the nines with a color-case hardened finish and checkered pistol grip. The easiest way to get a long gun in .357 Max is in a Handi Rifle and there is plenty written about them in the Max. Mark Penrod is one. Spoken like someone who doesnt live in a 2A benighted state or area. . Cartridge is a mite better now than 3 years ago, IMO. Im sure even more now. No, the article actually shows period photos of guys wearing cross slings with clips on the end that attached to the rifle, so they could let it dangle by their legs. If you want a lever gun for your wall and occasional shooting, good luck doing better. The most common include: There are other firearms chambered in the maximum, but their availability is limited and prices can be high. Browning created the 1892 to compete with the Marlin 1888, and according to legend, completed the work in two weeks. A friend has suggested my neophyte inquiry might find assistance here: C2N14 because life is not energetic enough. While visiting Rugers New Hampshire facility in 1985, I learned that when the company built the California Highway Patrol Commemorative model of the No. Email Mike at [email protected] or call 541 956 6938. Clearly, these articles (and other ones like this article) hit a receptive ear/eye in the gun buying public and they say Imma get me sumodat! and poof! This rifle will be used for S. Michigan Deer so I'm primarily looking for favorite powder and pet loads. Being forced to use the Winchester Trapper, the horror. by pwl44m Thu Jul 19, 2012 1:56 pm, Post Show Only with Pictures Seems to me thats just about the perfect lever-action carbine caliber.
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